How Dare you Mr. AdSense?
77Let me Make it Clear to you
Stop the insanity, Mr. AdSense!
Why am I not courting you and why would I like for you to stop courting me?
Here is why
It is not that I don’t like the idea of making money, but it is rather because I entirely dislike disrespectful people, entities, etc. or whatever it is that you call yourself.
In the other hand, I very much respect the writing profession and even more so I respect good writers.
Treating writers worse than slaves and remunerating their efforts with pennies, is arrogant, Mr. AdSense! In case you did not figure that one on your own, let me tell you loud and clear; it is!
Why don’t you call yourself AdCents, Mr.? That’s precisely what you are in the best o cases, so please get it through your head once and for all and stop flattering yourself! Let’s make it clear and let me talk some sense into you: the Sense you added to your name does not make any sense whatsoever; none.
In your supreme arrogance you may even think that you are doing us a favor. I would not be surprise of it coming from a guy like you. You may be making a handsome living out of clicks, but I am not playing your stupid game; not now, not ever. And that’s why I never signed my name anywhere you can pollute it just by association.
You are asking me to give up quality writing and dedicate my efforts to quantity; it isn’t going to happen so stop trying to convince me. Do you really think I will be writing about a can opener and do research to find out which one is better than the next? Not on your life, Mr.!
True, you never promised me a rose garden, but take a good look at yourself and for the love of God just answer me; what makes you think I am remotely interested in the withered petals you are willing to throw my way?
If I am to work for pennies I will be looking for a more dignifying job; like cleaning toilets or washing dishes for instance. I know those jobs will not be paying much either, but at least the employer will not be taking me for a fool.
Should you ever get that uncontrollable urge to send me an unsolicited check, listen up you slave master; never again will I click on any of your ads and you can totally forget about me buying anything you sell.
Furthermore, on your way out, do me a last favor; pick up all your ads and walk fast out of my life; not a single one of them has ever apply to anything I ever wrote; all they do is interfering with my other pictures and lowering the quality of my hubs.
Did you hear me, Mr. AdCents? I hope you did! And keep the change!
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Hi Pcunix,
More power to those who are willing to take that pay. Before anyone is happy with that kind of change, let's do the math; devide the amount of money by the number of hours you put into your work. In the best of cases will be something like 0.30 cents an hour. Nothing wrong with that if it makes you happy
I adore your sense of humor, Petra, and very much agree with you altough I get Google check every month and earn pretty much on line.
Altough many people say "content is a king" for earning money, situation is much more complicated. One needs to promote his own articles, build up backlings, use some SEO tactics and, at the same time, sell some products or services to earn money. Without that, GoogleAdsense cannot bring sufficient amount of money.
Hi Petra. You definitely seem to be having a bad day. But remember the pennies when added up make the pounds/dollars, although I must admit they do seem to add up very slowly at times.
I don't consider it successful to make,from what I figure,a high of two or three hundred bucks a week.Writing is much more reward than career...and by the way,I read your posts without the ads with NoScript adblock,Lol;)
Hi Tatjana
I know what you mean about content. Google only cares about clicks and hopes people will buy the advertized products. Try to write an intelligent hub about Tagore or Kierkegaard and let me know how much money you made out of it.
My point is; for the amount of work and energy, writing for money will never be profitable considering what Google pays.
Hey Christophor,
Are you kidding me? A bad day? I am having a blast telling Mr. AdSense to get lost.
Hi Mentalist,
You mean to tell me that dear Google got the message that fast? Great news! I don't what to sound disrespectful to others, but I considere this type of pay to be an insult. At least for me would be.
I agree. I try not to think about how many pennies advertising companies would like to offer me for my writing or I might go throw a molotov cocktail through the windows of their head-offices. I was so glad when adds were taken off my "Making Money" blog due to the nature of its content. I should involve the mentioning of strippers in every one of my blogs to get rid of all advertising on my pages!
Great blog!
Hello Happy,
I suppose great minds think alike. For me to have an article deleted by Helium I had to insert some profanities. As opposed to HP, Helium will not allow the writer to delete their own work. If you have a few minutes, read my Helium Nightmare (link above) and have some fun
I spend about an hour a day and earn $700 to $1,000 a month from Adsense alone, plus another $300 to $500 from Chitika, Amazon and others. If you call that working for pennies, fine.
And tatjana - I spend zero time on backlinks. Content is king, period.
I am quite happy with the the "dollars" my clicks earn me. There is also an occasional $9.00+ click which helps out also!
LOL!!! Adcents? This is witty. I got my first check for $100.00 last month after being here two years, but I don't write consistently in Hubpages, only when I feel inspired, so in essence I am sort of responsible for the few dollars.
Wow, just read Pcunix' comments, that kind of money I would love to earn.
This was fun to read, can visualize Mr. Adcents walking away with a look of indignation. LOL!
Hello again Pcunix,
What can I say? Good for you; not many people make that kind of money sitting down, but I am happy for you.
Since there is no doubt in my mind that you write with the speed of light, please tell me just out of curiousity; how many eleves do you have doing the research for you, finding the appropriate SEO and pictures? A few dozens will do it I guess
Hello Randy,
As I said before; if you are happy with it, great! People have different needs and different expectations.
As for me, I am making a lot more than $9.00 before I finish my first cup of coffee and check my e-mails in the morning.
Hello Violet,
Glad you got the humor of it all. If you happen to come back, please read my answer to Pcunix before you get too exited.
I do write quickly and usually write about things I know. I do no SEO.
Look, I have been doing this for almost twenty years. I have written close to 7,000 articles, of which perhaps 1,200 or so are successful and less than 100 are very successful. A small handful account for $300-$400 by themselves.
It is worth the effort. It isn't pennies. It is very nice extra income. But no, not everyone can do it. Not everyone has the knowledge, not everyone can write, but most of all, not everyone WILL write. It takes time, it takes effort, it takes knowledge and skill. But mostly, it takes just doing it, every single day.
Good for you, Petra! But the few hundred I make per month here is achieved by no special effort on my part and is part of my enjoyment in writing. I have other means of earning money so this is just for fun. But if you are so successful selling your writing elsewhere, why are you here in the first place?
There is also the point that for those of us who have been here forever, Adesnse was always extra. Our websites had other purposes, other income.
Adsense isn't treating writers as slaves. Writers are foolishly thinking that Adsense should be their main source of income.
Hello again Pcunix
Should I say it again? GOOD for you and more power to you. It is acctually great to hear such good news and I wish you the best of luck. I do agree with your point about writers being foolish and not realizing that Google will only look out for its own interest (as anyone should)
Hi Randy,
Why am I here on HP? Not to annoy others that's for sure. I am here because I enjoy this community and I love to read some great hubs and meet some wonderful writers who did not make it yet into print.
Hi Petra! Glad to see that you have found a new candidate to fight with! :-))
I have not signed up with AdSense, but from what Pcunix is saying, I might be missing out! :-))))
I'm with you Petra. I also am very reluctant to divulge too much personal information to these people. I write for the love of it, period.
Hello De Greek,
I know what you mean and if you believe in fiction I have a few bridges for sale (at a discount price I may add)
Hi Pop,
For me is not even a question of protecting personal info (once you are on the internet nobody knows what can happen)
Not signing with AdSense is a question of refusing to sell myself cheap; I can give my work away as a choice, but selling it for pennies is out of the question
Petra! I love you! Nothing new here with me! I did the tango on your buttons. I tried to do the mackarina but I can't spell it.
Micky dear,
Can you spell AdCents? Better yet, can you spell nonsense? I don't even blame google to tell you the truth, but I am amaized at how willing people are to get drunk on pure whater.
Petra this is a stimulating hub. As for AdCents I never came on here for anyone to SHOW ME THE MONEY..if I did I would be in the poor house. However for those including myself who allow AdCent ads all the power to us. Hey I figure if I am going to place writings on here whatever the quality of theu may be in a fellow hubbers eyes then why not at least attempt to get some form of compensation for them.
I understand where Pcunix is coming from. I know of many like him who are doing very very well with their websites and making a tidy monthly income. The Hubs are just another tool for them to make additional income. There are many SEO experts out there with the know how and expertise to make a living from the comfort of their homes and if they want to they can do it in their pajamas.
If one can avoid the nine to five punch the daily clock job routine by being at home deriving a tidy income by using their skills and knowledge on their computer use then all the power to them.
I am not on here to derive an income from Hubs but I certainly won't turn off Adsense. It doesn't compromise my hubs at all. So I say if one can secure thousands of clicks with the hopes of making some extra income from Adsense then I say why not?
For those like you Petra I also commend for wanting to keep your writings pure without any ads beside them, nothing wrong with that thinking either.
It's all a matter of choice and each hubber has the power to turn on or turn off Ads on their hubs. Peace my friend you are a purest and a magnificent writer, this hub is commendable and funny to. You put a smile on this saddle's face. LOL
Dear Ken,
With people like you who are writing QUALITY hubs I do NOT have a problem. In fact I do not have a problem with people who are comparing vacuum-cleaners either if that’s how they chose to spend their time and energy. I certainly do NOT have a problem with google who is smart enough to milk the writers and the people who advertise their products or their services with them.
So, why did I write this hub? Mostly for fun, but also because I very much doubt that anyone’s tax bracket has changed as a result of writing on the internet.
LOL....this is a great hub, and so much controversy. I have been on here for only a few months and have only written 60 or so articles. I saw on my adsence(less) account that I have earned a whopping $2.73. at this rate I should make the minimum 100.00 first payout in...hmmm 30.086 years...I’m excited!!! I love to write and found out that many people enjoy reading my dribbles, but alas no pay checks yet. I was recently told by an editor my work has to be polished to get an agent and they offered to edit my novel for a mere $8,000.00. With the publishing cost estimated at $5,000.00 I might have the funds to publish it in um....4010.5 years. Oh well....guess I'm glad I have another job (smiles warmly).
I agree with your comment on the tax bracket change:0) and if it did change I would hope that the SEO expert would have the smarts indeed to keep their earnings confidential as I'm certain there may be a TAXMAN listening in:0)
The IRS loves to squeeze every last cent earned no matter where it comes from. Google is the true winner here as they know they have an audience of people who think they are going to get rich quick with AdSense, however that will not be the case.
Overall I am super impressed with this site and the quality of people and writers I have met and am still meeting here. Hubpages have a very presentable way for writers of all calibre to place their hubs here. I am not impressed with many I have seen over the Net including Helium the site you had a bad experience with.
There are many crooks out here jumping at the chance to steal our writings. They are lurking and waiting to grab the best content and sell it for their profit and gain. Thank you for considering my writings as QUALITY. I simply write the best I can with the limited tools I have MY MIND as dark as it may appear at times, I enjoy writing here. Hugs my friend.
You are right. Adsense does not pay much and we cannot expect to make a living out of hubpages. I have been here for 11 months and have made £3.20. At this rate it will take 20 years for me to get the first cheque. By that time the money will probably be worth less than the £3.20 that is there now.
If you don't want to be part of Adsense I see no reason why you should. A good hub.
Hello Must65
I know what you mean and I agree with you; most of us (especially creative writers) are doing it for the love of it. If you have to spend that type of money to get publish, please think again. Getting published may bring you satisfaction, but at what price? Not making a fortune out of being published is almost ok, but spending money? I just don't get it!
Hello again Ken,
I am happy to see that we are on the same page (at least 1/2 of page) LOL
Hello Hummingbird,
You are right; whatever google does NOT pay, the tax man and the inflation is taking away. Oh, how I love to help both of them out
Thanks for the witty and fun and (for me) truthful article about AdSense. I would love to be able to crank out articles and make $1000 a month but even then, it would not really be a fair pay. Let's see now. Copywriters earn relatively little and work 8 hours a day promoting products. Now along comes a company that seduces people to write the same thing with a promise of payment IF there are clicks. Who needs copywriters? People will do the job for free. And writers wonder why their markets are disappearing....
My dear Silver,
I could not agree with you more. Writers are selling themselves cheap and then they are the ones to complain.
Why would anybody pay one cent more than the price tag they set up for themselves? Go figure...
For those who want to make real money, create a You Tube that goes viral and just happens to link to a wanted service or product.
For those who simply enjoy crafting their articles, then Hubpages is the place - with or without AdCents. Love your new appellation. AdCents makes sense.
Hello drbj,
Just by being around you I got a trace of sense of humor (something I have never been known for; sarcastic, yes - but not much of a sense of humor). So, from now on AdCent IT IS
I so much agree with you! If I want to write for money, I will not waste my time doing it on HubPages. Congratulations! You don’t hesitate to call a spade a spade.
Hello again Martie,
Never had and never will. And that goes for writing for money on the internet as well. Take care dear, I am coming right over to your site.
Hello angry Petra. My 69 hubs usually give me 0-6 clicks per day and $10-$15 per month. Not exactly a good hourly wage but at least its residual and keeps coming after the writing is long done.
I wonder how much HUBPAGES gets from Adsense. I assume they get a cut from each and every click too. I'll bet it adds up for them.
Hi pjk,
Long time no see. Actually HP is the only site I know of that disclose the pay on the sign up agreement that:"the writer get 60% and HP gets40%, so if you make 10-15 a months, they gett even less; ha ha ha To tell you the truth I like HP and most of my hubs are in the "creative writing" category so they are not supposed to make money - ha, ha, ha again!
Give 'em hell Petra.
Apparently you came by that red hair honestly!
I've only been here on HP about 6 weeks and doubt I'll ever see any money from my efforts. I really don't care.
I am skeptical of people who claim to make hundreds of dollars a week from Adsense. They are usually the ones who have published 200 hubs in the past 6 months.
I happened upon a hub a couple of weeks ago that praised a new software program for sale that would "create unique content" for bloggers AUTOMATICALLY, allowing someone to pick a topic and have the program search for information and arrange it into a blog (or hub).
I was only slightly less amazed as disgusted.
There are always those who sacrifice art for money, quality for quantity.
The nightingale sings because he must...so do I.
CP
Hello Christopher,
I am so glad you made it to this hub. I read some of your work before and I can tell you this much: you are way too intelligent and talented to make any money in any internet site.
Commercial garbage sells, but good, quality, original, creative and intelligent work does NOT.
It is a pleasure to have you in our HP community valued and embraced by writers less concerned with pennies and more concerned with the pleasure of sharing
Hey Petra.
Hubpages has 186,000 hubbers.
10 bucks a month on average gives them 1.8 million dollars per month from ad$en$e! Nice.
Hi pjk,
I never lost any sleep over their financial "problems" and I don't remember them crying poverty.
Keep in mind not all HP members are active either so I believe their income may be a little more modest than what we think, but hey it is a lot more than what we make, right?
Well, that put the fox in the chicken run, didn't it! Is that you in chains? I'd pefer to waste time thinking about that than about adcents...Bob
Hey Bob,
LMAO!!!You are too funny, my dear. The young gril in chains is not me, but the one on the third picture is, so think of that...
Very clever indeed and love it - some days it does seem to be quite depressing but then every once in a while, I get a check that makes me smile and that goes towards the 'sled and mushing fund'....so I'll probably stick with the pimp! Oh that the world were a perfect place, though!
WOW akircher,
Sticking with the pimp?! Now that's a great idea and I should kick myself for not thinking about it first. Every prostitute needs a pimp and Mr. Google may not be the worst of them LMAF
Very inspiring hub. I just my withdraw my third check yesterday. This always give me a motivation in doing the best in writing. I thought Pcunix is the best one. Thank you very much. ~prasetio
What can I say, Prasetio?
If you are happy with 3 checks of $100 each for 200 hubs and 2 years of work, than that's fine with me. I am not sure what you mean about Pcunix being the best, but you sure are entitile to your opinion, just like I am to mine.
The problem with writing for money is that you are doing it for the money and not for the love of writing. I write because I love to write not because I want money. If I wanted to make money writing I would be writing "how-to-books" and/or instructional manuals - that's where the money is in writing really.
I honestly am not happy with people writing to make money. It offends me and it offends writing as an art. Write first and then if the money comes that is a different story but to write with a cheque in mind ... that's garbage.
Hello Happy,
Writing for money (if that is your profession) is not something I would say no to: doctors get paid and so do lawyers and engineers - so what is the difference?
My point is about accepting pennies as pay and that's exactly what some people are doing when writing online while hoping for clicks.
It is that type of prostitution that I am against and this boarder line sick mentality is what turened google into a happy and very rich pimp.
I really like the way you have churned this one out. :) But, i think ad-sense requires you to reach a certain level until it starts paying seriously a big amount.
Hello Maddy,
Yes I heared of that, however considering the amount of time and effort is comes down to pennies, no matter how you look at it. Also there are only specific topics and subjects that make money and non of them interest me in the very least.
Writing is a relatively new experience for me. Improving it is my priority now. Will I succumb to the lure of pecuniary rewards? If I can write quality articles that are also commercially viable and not turn into a writing mill whose sole purpose is to churn out quantities of materials only to earn clicks or points then why not.
Hello Silent,
That's exactly my point. IF one can write quality articles and get paid decently for it so much the better; I am all for it.
Hi Petra
Nice Hub, fun to read :). And I like the new Name AdCents :). I had problems with this thingy all the time, and for some reason not by my fault at the beginning of my journey in internet I was banned by AdCents, and have difficulties returning back :).
But that was no problem for me due to paying cents and, let`s say it clear, it looks ugly in page. That was no problem till I got to HubPages, where it is required to put AdCents if you would like to put your affiliate links. So there are advertisements from google, and I am 100% supporting HubPages with commisions :).
Supporting HubPages is good if it is a choice, a little worse when you have no choice :). So that`s the life I think... :)
Luckly to everyone of us is, that AdCents are not only one to get paid. And the other once are far more profitable and better looking, so we have some choice over it. :)
Sure we have a choice; our choice is not to sign with Mr. AdCent, but be prepered to have a lower personal score on HP.
I saw peopel with sus-standard hubs that have a high score just becase they mostly write to promote whatever google is selling to businesses that advertize with them (and so is E-bay, Kotara and the rest)
web publishing is different from book publishing, I understand how you hate adsense so much because you just earn pennis with it, but there are so much technical stuff in there and usually quality articles cannot get much attention and earn the income as it should in real life. So just wrtie on your own comfort, if you want to make money with it, look at other side of the coin.
Hello cyberwriter,
I very much agree with you about the difference between web publishing as opposed to print publishing. Thank God I do not depend on adsense for a living, so I feel free to write only what interests me.
It is really not google's fault that people will accept such low pay for their efforts and will sacrifice quality for quantity
I partially agree with you. I like to play a little game with Adsense- I write a "money making" hub periodically to keep me earning a few bucks a day so I can write other hubs about what I really want to write about. That way I get paid (meagerly, yes) but I also write what I love. I didn't sign up with Adsense until a few months ago and I've been on HP for 2 years. It finally ocurred to me all that time I could've made some money. I stay home with my daughter and every bit helps.
I don't like the idea of it nor the worth and value on Adsense that represent my efforts. But, like i said, it means a little bit more for our family.
I really don't see how some people claim to make hundreds of dollars every month. Sometimes I think people say that to get traffic because people will want to follow their example and that's not what writing isn't about. We shouldn't try to implement or adopt others' writing styles and be a sheep in the herd.
Hello Izettl,
I never had a problem with people like you who write quality hubs and manage to make some money by doing so.
The ones that claim to make thousands are just full of it, or are taking the rest of us for fools; at any rate, the quality of their hubs speak loud and clear about the goals those "writers" set for themselves
I so much agree with you here. I've done some hubs about this very thing too, I was told I just need to follow what others have written about making big money and the cash will fall from heaven. Bunk! This hub is more realistic and more like it. It just is odd a 'handful' make money, or so I'm told and I'm supposed to feel like my content is not good? More bunk. Buying SEO bots is more like it.
I like this hub.
Hello Bobbi,
I don't believe a word of what those people are saying in terms of the thousands they make. The sub-standard quality of their hubs is enough to make me wonder who would ever take them seriously.
And also take a look at how they recycle their own hubs milking the same idea a hundred times over. Is that pathetic or what?
your choice of pics is very funny and accurate. only thing i want to say is that you have more courage than me and many.
Hello again multifunction,
I had a lot of fun writing this, but some took offence at it. Since the offended ones are the same people who got rich because of AdCent, I will take their "expert opinion" with a full box of salt.
Oddly enough I see the best writers on here not making much money and there are those that I don't think are great and brag about all the money they make. For me, there is no rhyme or reason to Adsense and no way people can make a steady income on it. Like I said before, whenever it pays out for me, which is never reliable, it's like a free trip to the grocery store or something like that. I love that you write for the passion and I do the same. I have too many thoughts in my head to keep them all in there. Glad others are on here to share thoughts too and not just for making money.
Hello Izetti,
I could not agree with you more. Quality writing does not pay, and it seems quantity does not matter much either. What matter is to write to specific "money making" topics and promote your work to death.
I just read an interview that Misha gave to HP some time ago; HP asked "how do you manage to make more than $80 A DAY from just ONE hub and another 40-60 a day from a few other hubs avraging thousands a dollors a month?"
Misha's answer was:"I have two categories of hubs: the ones I write for fun (they do not make money) and the ones I wrtite for money. I do a lot of research on topic and SEO before writing a hub and I link and promote my hubs. The easy part is to write the hub, the real work starts after. It is NOT Adsense that brings in the money, but all the other sites".
This interview only conformed what I already suspected - only certain topics will make money and the income is related to tags and SEO use, but most importantlly to linking and promoting to a personal webpage.
I wish those people the very best, BUT I would not call them writers
Petra, I say write for the desire and driving passion to do so. If money somehow manages to become a part of that, I'll take it. But yes, if you equate the writing part with work, it doesn't add up to much of a hill of beans at the end of the day. :)
Keep on hubbing.
Hello Springboard
My point exactly; since whatever money Mr. AdSence is willing to pay only amounts to a hill of beans, I will spend my time writing what I want and what interests me.
I think that you are perfectly right, but there are many people who make much more with adsense. Most of those who use it get a few cents daily.
Hi Sarah,
I heard of the daily cents, but that is what bothers me the most; writing is a profession that should pay a lot more. In the end is a personal choice. The more people are making money (no matter which system they use), the better.
Unfortunately Petra it sounds to me like you never really took the time to learn how to optimize all writing for earnings through targeting potential higher pay per click keywords.
I won't claim to have gotten rich or moved up a tax bracket from Ad Sense,but I just started writing online 2 months ago and have made a respectable amount for that time period.
I don't care what you write about there will always be a keyword that can be incorporated within the theme of that writing and optimized for that will make you more money than just a few cents.
Sorry it did not work out for you,good luck! By the way I did enjoy your rant here none the less :)
you have adsense on this hub.
Hello Benjamine,
You are right; I never took the time and I will not do so in the future. I am not interested in whatever AdSense may want to pay as I value my writings well above its "generousity".
I will not waste one minute thinking about keywords optimization and my hubs are NOT intended as commercial. I am sharing ideas, feelings and knowledge out of "the goodness of my heart" and I do not want nor do I need google's money.
I do however respect the ones who want or need to suppliment their income, so by all means they should do it.
Hello prabhjotbedi,
Adsense is not taking NO for an answer and keeps an following me against my will. That's what I call a persistent admirer :-)))
Adsense isn't really the solution if you want to get paid to just write. There are plenty of people who are willing to hire writers though. Adsense is an advertising network--you're selling them advertising at market rates. If you run a website, know how to do some SEO, know how to do some keyword research and content promotion, then Adsense is probably a better solution for you. But if you want to make real money from Adsense, then, yeah, it takes a lot more than quantity of content anyway.
You doubt anyone's tax bracket has changed by writing on the Internet? I agree many testimonials are bullshit - but writing on the Internet is making me a living. It pays my rent, my taxes and my new washing machine.
I'm not getting rich, but I can take a holiday of a month and come back to the same income I had before. That is, however, based on 10 years of putting content online. And it's only in the past two months or so that I can live off my online efforts. It all started as a hobby.
I guess tax bracket means - earning so much that you have to pay more taxes? (English is a second language for me). In that case, I guess I'm confirming your prejudice. I make minimum wage online (by Dutch standards). However, I dare you to leave $1000+ dollars a month on the table. That's not the total - that's merely what I make on adsense. I make about that amount on Squidoo, and I make money on affiliate income.
Here's the post I wrote on that topic.
http://www.marketingspiritual.com/2010/making-mini
With 10% of the American workforce out of a job, I personally don't think you should dish those who try to make something online. Though I agree to an extent: many of those will never make more than pennies.
Hello nocredit,
Your comment just re-enforced a point that I got from other commentators: real money are generated by one's own website. I do not have one because I have nothing to sell.
I really wrote this hub mostly for fun and, although it seems like I have a problem with Adsense or google in general, my sarcasm was actually directed at writers who sell themselves cheap.
Hello spirituality,
Yes, some people are claiming that they make a fortune online, so I was being sarcastic saying that they may have to pay a lot more taxes.
I have a lot of respect for people who have the patience to wait 10 years until they make a stady and decent amount of passive income. I read your hubs on Buddism and patience is one of their virtues, so I am not surprised you gave it a chance and I am glad it is working for you
Very good hub, thanks!
Thank you for reading map65
Great honest hub Petra.
I don't like being paid cents especially for my mechanical articles.
They are uniquely honest and helpful, expose all the tricks of the trade, and took me a lifetime to learn.
I write them to help others, and although they get plenty of hits and positive comments the adcents income from them is mostly pathetic.
Hello ernest
I can totally relate to what you are saying; specific knowledge and honest information acquiered through life long experiance is worth a lot more than the pennies adsense will pay.
The reason I refuse the ridiculous pay is because I alwasy thougth that You as an individual set Your own price.
If the price one sets for him/her self amounts to pennies, that that is exactly what they are worth
Hi, Petra...You do have a sense of humor! I really enjoyed reading what you wrote while laughing out loud.
I'm a HubPages newbie with only one published hub under my belt. Before reading your "Mr. AdCents" piece, I signed up for Google Adsense. Since you've convinced me there's no real incentive to learn all that stuff on the Adsense learning site, I won't strain myself studying it. A techie I am not!
I'm really amazed at the number of comments you engendered with your tweaks at AdSense and Helium, but your writing obviously stirred more and varied emotions than my laughter. Keep it up, girl!
Hi Jaye,
So glad you found this article just in time:-)) before ever doubting yourself as a writer - because the check is so late or it may have got lost in the mail.
First let me welcome you to the community of writers interested in sharing personal life experiances and wisdom. I read your profile page and I know we will enjoy your work and will have a great deal to learn from you.
I hope you will like it here and, yes, some sense of humor is required to survive the internal politics of any institution, including HP
Petra, I love your honesty it is totally refreshing- but most people here on this site trawl from one site to another hopeing and praying for clicks. The real money is n't here but on your own website. If you want to write to make money then you have to follow the flow. It is boring and repititive but a lot of people are prepared to sacrifice their love of writing great articles for the small change. You are right to pity them.
Hello Brian,
Thank you for reading my "warning" to Mr. AdCents and I am glad you agree with me. In fact, most people feel the same way I do, but some are afraid to bite the hand that so generously throws a few pennies at them. Oh well, everyone has a price I suppose...
Yep, thanks goodness days of old ugly Adsense sites are almost behind us :)
Hello Troy,
I had no idea those days are behind us, but so much the better
Well someone had to say it Petra...and you said it very well. I begin to wonder about myself when I start getting excited because I earnt 30 cents today.It's so hard to make any money here it feels like a stupendous achievement. LOL.
Hi Jane,
The pay is no doubt ridiculous, but if you are having fun here, than that's worth something, right? I enjoy the community and there is always so much to learn. Thanks for the e-mail, I appreciate it
Hi, Petra, I didn't really take a lot of notice of it to start with, but now I got my first payment it does help a little because I lost my job, and I like writing. I think it all depends on whether you do work or not, I admit that it is only a few pence but I don't mind really! lol cheers nell
Hello Nell,
With people like you who writes well and chooses interesting subjects I do not have a problem. My problem is with people who will sacrifice quality for a few pennies
What Adsense pays me isn't that bad! I make slightly more than the people who built the prymids and pharaoh's tombs. Infact, if they were alive today I'd be gloating.
And so it goes, Mercredi... different era, same music and same dance.
Hi Petra (again) You're right and you're tough. I had a website before I did hubpages: so far, Google has paid me £60 for 7 years work! But any money I am likely to make from current hubs is secondary to being able to fulfill my habit of writing (nearly) a column a day, as I did for 15 years as a journo...Bob
Hi Bob,
writing for pleasure is the only way to go. Otherwise we getting back to the "panties" choice
All this reminds me what a dinosaur I am. LOL. I'm still amazed at myself for just publishing anything I write for others to read! Being paid is still pretty much out of my line of vision.
Of course, for the pay you're speaking of, it is not so much recompense "for" the writing as for its advertising value as it attracts readers to the products being advertised. But in a way - isn't that what most writing for periodicals does? They make their money by selling ads, which are placed where the traffic is highest, and the traffic gravitates to the interesting articles, right?
It's a sticky wicket. We live in a commercial world. sigh.
Hi Nellieanna,
While Mr. AdCent pays writers pennies, (which I find most offensive), when published by a legitimate magazine or periodical, the writer gets a decent pay.
Remember that HP is consider self-publishing, so they make mone by people writing to the site and google placing ads hoping for the reader to click on ads and eventually buy products.
Thank you for your very thoughtful reply, Petra. As always, you present valuable thoughts and bring much experience to it.
And yes, that is so, I realize!
As i consider it, however, it occurs to me that the pay the periodical gives the writer is pennies compared to what they are paid by the advertisers. Even a little known, highly-limited-audience periodical (such as I might use to advertise birdwatching on my ranch) charges an astronomical amount for the tiniest space for an ad, increasing rapidly as the space increases. The printing may be poor, all black and white, but each word is worth a lot to them and a picture or logo, more.
Then when one looks at, say, Vanity Fair's ad spaces: - full pages, multi-colors, some with foldouts, some with sniff-ability for their fragrances, one end of a clever device to open and sniff the fragrance for the men and the other end for the women's adaptation, and even some multiple pages purchased by a single advertiser - all among MANY ads, in every issue, year in and year out, while running several realy great articles by notable writers each issue, - well, if the figures being paid out and profits coming in were to be compared it would be a mammoth difference, I would guess. Of course they have all the overhead expenses, but they are in business because it is very profitable, not just because they want to spread the good writing to readers, whom they've collected over decades of publishing.
But that's not the real point for writers, is it? Writers write to be read and many don't even care about being paid, though of course, it's possible to become a commercial success at writing. Even so, it seems to remain in a similar category of livelihood with teaching. Teachers are dedicated souls at heart who teach for the love of it and because there is something afire within wanting to help edify a next generation and to keep knowledge alive. Oh, they rise up and ask for more pay for their efforts, but what strikes me in that is that, the more they've risen in their own behalf, the worse the educational standards seem to have become. A beginning "green" teacher with a questionable talent for it now starts with a better salary, relative to overall incomes of the populace, than a seasoned, proven teacher commanded when standards were exemplary. One has to wonder.
In a way, the same thing seems to apply to other professions. Doctors who are paid huge amounts seem to rely on trying out the medicines being promoted by the pharmacies in hopes they'll fix the ills. They don't treat the whole patient as an organism these days very often. They don't go to an ailing patient. The patient must stumble to a office waiting room, where he is herded with the others AFTER PROVING HE CAN PAY UP FRONT - and given the initial looking over by an aide. The doctor comes in, glancing over the notes in the manilla folder from the slot on the outside of the waiting-room door, pokes around a bit, possibly asking a few questions and half-heartedly listening to the patient's report of what's been going on with his body which brought him finally to the doctor. Then the doctor disappears and the rest of the visit is again handled by office-types, a next appointment is made and the patient has to make his way home - stopping at the pharmacy to get some new-fangled prescription filled. Maybe he saw it advertised on TV with the suggestion he ask his doctor if it was right for him. For this, medicare, insureance or OUT-OF-POCKETpays HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS, at least! If the med doesn't help - either the patent has to go though it again or just give up and let nature take its course.
I think people should be paid what they're worth and that education and preparation should reap rewards. But it is distressing to see dedication vanishing from the mix.
PS - sorry - I just had to add this:
Also - the matter of readers. The issues cost quite a bit on the newsstands, several dollars. a pop. But selling the magazines is not the main avenue or revenue for the publisher. The subscription price is just a dollar per issue, sometimes with a promo to get two years for the price of one. It's hardly enough to pay for the paper and ink and mailing costs.
I'm letting my subscription run out, if for no reason than to find out how many issues I really have left. But I've been getting a "RENEW NOW" notice almost since the first issue I ever received. I keep a record of when I I order or renew subscriptions to it and several other good periodicals, but between all of them implying they are about to run out any minute and keeping tabs on them, I may have renewed or ordered a longer subscription. I can't depend on them to help me keep up! They're doing all they can to make me forget or get confused and order prematurely! LOL
But I have a few tricks up my sleeve too. I know that I'll start getting "We want you back" offers when I finally do run out. They'll be attractive offers and I'll know for sure I really did run out. I may not choose to renew till I catch up reading al the issues piled up on my coffee table anyway!
The point is, they don't make that much of their money from readers. Readers are a necessary evil in order to get advertisers who pay the BIG BUCKS. Writers and readers are mere means to that end. If they can show the advertisers a WIDE subscription base of quality folks who are targets for their products, THAT and pretty much that alone is their objective in getting readers they offer good deals and writers they give "decent pay" together so that advertisers who pay astronomical sums in order to SELL to the readers (and writers, no doubt - since they also get the finished magazines).
Classy as "Vanity Fair" is- and it IS classy periodical, always respected for its promotion of excellent, well-written articles about subjects worth reading, - which I look forward to reading very voraciously, nevertheless, it is a humongous commercial giant and THAT is its reason for existing.
Dear Nellieanna,
The world we live in is defined by human consumers rather than human beings so the verb “to have” has replaced the verb “to be” in most aspects of our live. Since we are “buying machines” an entire new and profitable industry has been developed, base on intense studies of human behavior and patterns. We are made to believe that we need this and we need that in order to be more accepted, more successful, happier.
The success of the advertising industry is based on a two punch technique: first they create a “need” (out of thin air) and then they offer a “solution” – the result is always the same – people will buy whatever is “new”, “improved”, “technologically advanced”, “natural”, “organic”, “fortified”, etc. It is a game and the only winner is always the same, and by that I do not mean the consumer. If you want to get another perspective into the selling technique see my hub “The infallible selling technique – the Gucci philosophy”.
As for the parallel you made between teachers and writes, the two categories supposed to bring education to the masses, my answer goes back to the new philosophy of today’s society where “to have” means more than “to be”, so no wonder they are not considered as being “a productive” segments of society and as a consequence they are not paid much; they are becoming extinct professions and they have been in the endangered species list for some time now.
Both teaching and writing takes dedication and a special talent and not everybody should try their hand at it. I will probably write a hub about teachers when I come back from vacation, but in the meantime you may want to take a look at my hub “What it takes to be a great writer”
I'll check out those hubs, Petra. Thank you. Oh - and hope your vacation is superb!
It is true that "to be" has never been valued and yet it is those who seek foremost to be that have the most long-term influence over the world. History would not be recorded if it wasn't for the be-ers recording the lives of people who have lived...what about the inventors who never made much money and yet devoted their entire lives to finding solutions. While writers, teachers, inventors, etc are undervalued in society, historically we still have the greatest influence! So, I hope to be among those who people remember when I'm gone--and I'll keep writing from the inspiration within! :)
Hello FloBe,
You are very right about the contribution and the possitive influence that artists make during their life time. In the end they are the ones to be remembered and their work endures time.
Petra , I love your sarcasm , and I'm a sensitive guy! Saddlerider , told me to come here . Its all his fault , I often wonder if any dream I have of making any money are wasted by not signing up? Poetry and short stories probably wouldn't pay anyway. And, is any "other" chance of publishing being compromised by signing up or not? I do looove the sharing thing though!
Hello horsback,
Thank you for stopping by and I a grateful to Ken to have directed you to my hubs. Creative writing does not pay on HP and signing up is not worth it, so you and I (as well as others) are better off ignoring MR. AdCents and keeping high standards of writing. I will be checking your work today and thank you again for leaving a comment.
LOL, Love the pictures!
Thank you Kadban,
since we are not making much money, we should have some fun, right?
Ah yes, another windmill to tilt at; and understandably so. While I pollute my hubs with Adcents and Amazon (which I just found out won't pay you if you are ordering from yourself), I do it knowing full well all I will see are penny's; but then I am the eternal optimist, which is why I keep playing slot machines each time I come to Las Vegas even though I have never, in 40 years, won more than $200 at one sitting.
I just write for fun and to catch up on not doing it for the 40 years I was playing the slots plus 10 more. I found that I really like it and if I make $10 bucks a year, hey, that will keep me happy at a slot for, oh, about 1 minute. Great Hub, Petra.
Pcunix Level 7 Commenter 19 months ago
Actually, quality content can pay far more than pennies.